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<br />AND I SAID 'WHAT DO YOU MEAN?"
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<br />TO ARCHITECTS, I WAS ABOUT TO LOSE OUT ON AN OPPORTUNITY
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<br />HE SAID "HILL, MAYBE HE NEEDS TO PRESENT THAT
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<br />AND I WAS LOOKING FOR HELP TO MAKE THE GUY I HAD
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<br />HE HAS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRODUCT, THE C014PANY
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<br />ENTRUSTED WHO HAD MISREPRESENTED TO ME.
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<br />AND HE'S JUST COMING ACROSS AS A BROKER,' AND MY
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<br />I HAD NEVER IN 14Y LIFE GOTTEN SO MAD AT A
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<br />BROTHER HAD MET WITH HIM IH PASSING ONCE OR TWICE AND
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<br />PERSON TO THAT DAY. I STILL 3EMEMBER A COUPLE TIMES
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<br />SAID "I WOULDN'T BELIEVE THAT GUY SO HOW'S THE WORLD
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<br />WHEN MY WIFE SAID YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
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<br />GOING TO BELIEVE THAT GUY'?
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<br />I JUST COULD NOT BELIEVE HE WAS GOING TO MAKE NO
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<br />AND SO RACHEL AND HIM DECIDED THAT MAYBE HE
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<br />TRACTION ON A DEAL THAT I WAS ACQUIRING AT THE RIGHT
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<br />NEEDED TO REFER TO HIMSELF AS A CFO, NOT SOMETHING I WAS
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<br />PRICE AND IT STARTED TO BECOME BAD FOR MY HEALTH TO HAVE
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<br />REALLY IN FAVOR OF BUT WE FIGURED PUT HIM ON A SHORT
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<br />ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH SEAN DALESANDRO.
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<br />WINDOW, SEE IF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
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<br />Q SO GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION IN YOUR
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<br />IT NEVER MADE A DIFFERENCE, HE CAME TO ME AND
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<br />BROTHER'S LIVING ROOM WHERE YOU DECIDED TO HAVE BUSINESS
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<br />SAID "I CAN'T GET THIS DEAL CAPITALIZED SO YOU CAN
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<br />CARDS PRINTED, YOU FELT THAT WHILE THE BUSINESS CARDS
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<br />DEVELOP AN $80 MILLION PROJECT. JUST I CAN'T DO IT.
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<br />WOULD SAY HE WAS CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER THAT, IN FACT,
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<br />THE ENTITLEMENT RISK IS SUCH I CAN'T DO IT,"
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<br />WAS NOT GOING TO BE TRUE; IS THAT CORRECT?
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<br />Q SO YOU HAD A 30-MINUTE CONVERSATION IN
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<br />MR. BISNO: OBJECTION. MISSTATES THIS WITNESS'S
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<br />JANUARY OF 2011 IN YOUR BROTHER JEREMY'S LIVING ROOM?
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<br />PRIOR TESTIMONY. OBJECTION, ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN
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<br />A CORRECT.
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<br />EVIDENCE,
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<br />Q NOW, YOU HAD ALREADY GIVEN MR. DALESANDRO
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<br />Q BY MR. RUBINER: YOU CAN ANSWER.
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<br />$32,000 AT THAT TIME?
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<br />A PLEASE RESTATE THE QUESTION.
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<br />A I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS 32 AT THAT TIME, I
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<br />MR. RUBINER: CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, MADAM
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<br />DON'T KNOW THE TTME FRAME IN WHICH WE GAVE THE CHECKS
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<br />REPORTER.
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<br />BUT CHECKS WERE BEING CUT EVERY MONTH. I THINK IT WAS
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<br />(QUESTION READI .
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<br />8,000 A MONTH, AT THAT TIME IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THREE
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<br />MR. BISNO: AND DO YOU HAVE MY OBJECTIONS IN MIND?
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<br />CHECKS. I DON'T KNOW.
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<br />THE WITNESS: PLEASE RESTATE THEM, BOB,
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<br />Q AND WHOSE IDEA WAS TT TO HAVE BUSINESS CARDS
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<br />MR. BISNO: MADAM COURT REPORTER, WOULD YOU BE KIND
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<br />CREATED THAT SAY CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER?
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<br />ENOUGH TO, WITH THE CONSENT OF COUNSEL, TO REREAD MY
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<br />MR. BISNO: OBJECTION. ASKED AND ANSWERED. THIS
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<br />OBJECTIONS.
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<br />WITNESS HAS PREVIOUSLY TESTIFIED IT WAS AN IDEA BETWEEN
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<br />MR, RUBINER: YEAH, YOU CAN REREAD THE LONG
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<br />MR. DALESANDRO AND RACHEL OGULNICK. HE HAS BEEN CLEAR
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<br />SPEAKING OBJECTION THAT WAS MADE IN VIOLATION OF THE
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<br />ON THAT.
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<br />COURT RULES.
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<br />Q BY MR. RUBINER: WAS MR. DALESANDRO PRESENT IN
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<br />(RECORD READ).
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<br />YOUR BROTHER'S LIVING ROOM?
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<br />MR. BISNO: THANK YOU.
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<br />A NO.
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<br />Q BY MR. RUBINER: YOU CAN ANSWER.
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<br />Q NOW, WHO RAISED THE IDEA OF BUSINESS CARDS
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<br />A AS I TESTIFIED BEFORE, THIS WAS NOT MY IDEA.
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<br />SAYING CFO IN YOUR BROTHER'S LIVING ROOM?
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<br />IT WAS SOMETHING JEREMY AND RACHEL CAME UP WITH. THE
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<br />A I DON'T RECALL. IDON'T ENOW WHICH ONE.
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<br />CARDS WERE PRODUCED WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE. I DON'T KNOW
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<br />Q AND WHAT DID YOU SAY WHEN SOMEONE SUGGESTED
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<br />IF SEAN PLAYED A ROLE IN THIS. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO MY
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<br />THAT BUSINESS CARDS THAT IDENTIFY MR. DALESANDRO AS CFO
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<br />WIFE ABOUT IT.
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<br />BE PRESENTED?
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<br />AGAIN, I SORT OF LET IT GO THINKING, WELL, I'M
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<br />A I WAS DESPERATE. MONEY EITHER HAD GONE HARD,
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<br />IN A DESPERATE SPOT, I'M ABOUT TO LOSE MY ASS. IF HE
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<br />ABOUT TO GO HARD, AND I WAS STUCK WITH THIS GUY AND I
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<br />CAN HAVE SOME TO01 THAT MAKES HIM BETTER AT WHAT HE WAS
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<br />WAS WILLING TO TRY ANYTHING TO MAKE HIM FIND CAPITAL SO,
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<br />TRYING TO DO FOR 60 DAYS AND FAILED MISERABLY AT, I'LL
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<br />A, I DIDN'T LOSE MY DEPOSIT AND, B, AFTER I MET BOB
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<br />LET IT GO. IT WAS AGAINST MY BETTER JUDGMENT BECAUSE
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<br />BISNO I STARTED TO REALIZE THAT IT WASN'T A RISKY
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<br />NOTHING COULD HAVE BEEN FURTHER FROM T3E TRUTH, MY WIFE
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<br />ENTITLEMENT PLAY BECAUSE BOB HAD SUFFICIENT CAPITAL
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<br />WAS THE CFO, DID EVERY, IN EVERY CAPACITY, TO THIS DAY
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<br />WITHIN THE SANTA ANA COMMUNITY THAT WE WERE GOING TO
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<br />STILL DOES ALL THOSE ROLES AS THE CFO AND MR, DALESANDRO
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<br />HAVE A FAIRLY EASY TIME GETTING THIS ENTITLED.
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<br />NEVER COULD OR WOULD HAVE A CHECKBOOK, FOR NSTANCE, OR
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<br />SO NOT ONLY WAS I ON THE PRECIPICE OF LOSING
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<br />ANY OF THOSE OTHER CAPACITIES. IT WAS SIMPLY A TOOL
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<br />DEPOSIT, FUNDS TO ATTORNEYS, FUNDS TO CONSULTANTS, FUNDS
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<br />GIVEN TO THE MAN IN LIGHT OF HIM FAILING FOR SO LONG NOW
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<br />Dalesandro vs. Ogulnick
<br />Deposition of Ryan Andrew Ogulnick, Vol. 1
<br />August 13, 2012
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