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ALUC Minutes Page 6 January 15, 2004 Commissioner Propst repeated his pilots' perspective that the site is a bad place for families, so high up near the aircraft under certain flight procedures. Commissioner Kranser explained that Commissioner O'Malley shares the same pilot's views and had encouraged his alternate to vote against the project. He reiterated his earlier comments on the adequacy of the current JW A AELUP in terms of reality at the airport, and stated his reluctance to live in a building or ride in an airplane, based on having perhaps met some regulation. Replying to Chairman Bresnahan regarding his approval schedule, Mr. Mola pointed out the ALUC staff's conclusion that the project is technically consistent, he repeated that his noise consultant is present to discuss interior and measured ground level noise at 2,800' from the centerline, and he wondered what additional information could bear on the members' seeming dislike for his project. Replying to Commissioner Propst, Mr. Mola stated his doubt that the members' personal views of such a residential project are within the ALUC purview, being outside the scope of the meeting. He confirmed his interest in the issues raised, and referred to a graphic of his project among the existing buildings in the area and in relation to the JW A runway. He noted that the smallest building closer to the runway is about the same height as his, in terms of line of sight. Again replying to Commissioner Propst, Mr. Mola described the use and occupancy of nearby buildings, and he stressed that every effort has been made to be diligent and in compliance, such as eliminating the proposed helicopter pad, and staying out of the FAA's envelope. He noted that a residential project will house fewer people than an office building, and that vacant sites, such as in Hutton Center will propose 300' building heights. He cited the FAA's concurrence, and the State requirement for interior sound attenuation. He assured the members that he would understand if they have well founded conditions of denial, but without those he does not see a basis for denial that would not be emotional and capricious. He agreed that more time to seek technical information is reasonable, but pursuing emotional information would be a waste oftime. He concluded by acknowledging a pilot's point of view, but added that a comparable office building could house up to four times as many people at the site. Commissioner Propst agreed that technically the sponsor's project is Consistent, but from his perspective of the ALUC charge to protect people as well as airports, he could not vote in favor and would abstain instead. Mr. Mola noted that people have bought vacant land with zoned and master planned entitlements. He and Commissioner Propst agreed that more time for further deliberations likely would not help. Mr. Brady pointed out that this property was being considered for a GP AlZC by the City of Santa Ana. Mr. Mola observed that it is beneficial for the ALUC to have received the noise consultant's technical information on the noise problem, and he repeated his willingness to help inquire into other technical areas, although he believes that a few members have decided that they don't want any more high-rises along the runways and flight patterns. He noted that the good development cycle now will result in a lot of similar applicants over the next 6-7 months. Commissioner Campbell stated her view that the site is a lousy location for such a tall building. 75C-169