HomeMy WebLinkAbout01-17-1972MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING
OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF SANTA ANA, CALIFORNIA
January 17, 1972
The meeting was called to order at 2:05 P.M. in the Council Chambers of the
City HaL1 Annex, 530 North Ross Street, with the following Councilmen present:
Vernon S. Evans, Wade Herrin, J. Ogden Markel, Harry K. Yamamoto, and
Mayor Lorin Griset. Councilman Villa was absent; and Councilman Patterson
arrived at 2:15 P.M. Also present were City Manager Carl J. Thornton, City
Attorney James A. Withers, Director of Planning Herbert Wieland, Director of
Public Works Ronald Wolford, and Clerk of the Council Florence I. Malone.
MINUTES The Minutes of the Regular Meeting
of January 3, I972, and the Special
Meeting of January 10, 1972, were
approved as submitted, on motion of Councilman Herrin, seconded by Councilman
Evans, and unanimously carried.
CONSENT CALENDAR
Yamamoto; items 9-B, 15-B, 15-C,
The following Agenda items were
removed from the Consent Calendar:
Item 5, requested by Councilman
15-D, and I5-E, requested by Councilman Markel.
On motion of Councilman Herrin, seconded by Councilman Evans, and unanimously
carried, Council affirmed the recommended action on the following Consent Calendar
items:
BID CALLS
Approved plans and specifications
and authorized advertisement for
bids on the following:
PROJECT 3021 - Construct sanitary sewer from Sixth Street and
Ross Street to Van Ness Avenue and Santa Ana Boulevard; opening
date February 15, 1972.
PROJECT 6049 - Construct landscape irrigation system in Santa
Ana Boulevard medians between Santiago Street and Grand Avenue;
opening date February 15, 1972.
Authorized the Purchasing Officer to issue the following bid
invitation on behalf of all participating Orange County cities for
unit price quotations:
SPEC. 641-273 - Athletic Equipment - Annual requirement; opening
date February 9, 1972.
CITY COUNCIL
January 17, 1972
CONSENT CALENDAR - (Continued)
VARIANCES AND
CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS
Received and ordered filed the
following applications:
CUP 71-35, ROSELLA J. SHEEHAN - To allow a beer bar within
300 feet of residentially zoned property in the C 2 District at
505 S. Harbor Boulevard; DENIED.
CUP 71-36, LA CASA DEL SOL - To allow sales of liquor in a
proposed bona-fide restaurant within 300 feet of residentially
zoned and used land in the CR District at 3305 South Bristol;
APPROVED.
VA 71-64, JACHMA PROPERTIES - To operate a retail garden
center, florist and outdoor garden accessories business in the
R 1 District at 2800 N. Tustin; APPROVED.
VA 71-66, WESTPORT HOME BUILDERS - To reduce the required
parking for an apartment complex in the CR zone at 3200 S. Main
Street; APPROVED.
PUBLIC PROPERTY USE
Approved the following
Application for Special
License to Use Public Property,
and waived the deposit:
SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH, procession from the northwest corner
of Second and Baker Streets, west to Raitt, south on Raitt to
McFadden, to relocate the Second Baptist Church of Santa Ana; on
January 23, 1972, between 3:00 and 4:00 P.M.
DEEDS, NO CASH Received and ordered filed
a report of No-Cash Deeds
accepted by the City Manager,
pursuant to Resolution #69-156 from December 29, 1971 through January
LI, 1972, inclusive.
DEEDS, NO CASH
GRANTOR, CITY
Approved the following deed and
authorized its execution by the
Mayor and Clerk:
PACIFIC TELEPHONE & TELEGRAPH COMPANY, east of Main
Str.eet at Arnett, Pacific Telephone eastment.
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CONSENT CALENDAR - (Continued)
SURPLUS PROPERTY Pursuant to Code Section 2-702,
Council approved Report dated ,.
January 12~ 1972 and declared
surplus the personal property listed therein; set Saturday, February 12,
1972, as the auction date for said property; designated Mr. T.W. Keever,
Purchasing and Property Control Officer, as auctioneer, and Mrs.
Kathleen Power, Account Clerk, as clerk responsible for recording
bids and payments for said auction.
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE Councilman Herrin's motion to
LICENSE APPLICATIONS receive and file the following ABC
applications was seconded by
Councilman Evans, and carried on a 4-1 vote, Councilman Yamamoto dissenting:
CASBAH, 1802 S. Standard, On Sale General, Person to Person
Transfer;
WALLACE, WILLIAM D., 302 N. Main Street, On Sale General,
Original;
and the City Attorney was instructed to file a protest with the Alcoholic Beverage
Control Board on the following application:
CASA PALMA, 122 E. 17th Street, On Sale Beer & Wine, Original;
(Protest - within 300 feet of residential).
DEEDS WITH CASH On motion of Councilman Herrin,
GRANTEE, CITY seconded by Councilman Evans,
the following deed was approved
and the Mayor was authorized to sign all necessary documents in connection with
the purchase:
COZAb, ET AL, north side of First, west side of Raitt, street
purpo se s.
Motion carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOE }
ABSENT:
Herrin, Evans, Griset, Yamamoto
Markel
Villa, Patterson
Councilman Patterson arrived at 2:15 P.M.
SURPLUS PROPERTY Council declared surplus and
REPORT #72-02 authorized demolition of improve-
ments located at 1521 W. First
Street, acquired in connection with Project 127~ - First Street from Townsend
Street to Hesperian Street, on motion of Councilr~an Herrin, seconded by Council-
man Evans, and carried on a 5-1 vote, Cquncilman Markel dissenting.
CITY COUNCIL -21- January 17, 1972
SURPLUS PROPERTY Council declared surplus and a~t~orized
REPORT #72-03 demolition of improvements located at
105 N. Forest Avenue, acquired in
connection With Project 1276 - First Street from Townsend Street to Hesperian Street,
on motion of Councilman Herrin, seconded by Councilman Evans, and carried on the
following roll call vote:
AYES: YIe rrin, Evans,
NOES: Markel
ABSENT: Villa
Griset, Yamamoto,
Patterson
SURPLUS PROPERTY Council declared surplus and authorize
REPORT #72-04 demolition of improvements located at
1711 West First Street, acquired in
connection with Project 1276 - First Street from Townsend Street to Hesperian Street,
on motion of Councilman Herrin, seconded by Councilman Yamamoto, and carried on
the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Herrin, Yamamoto, Evans,, Griset, Patterson
Markel
Villa
SURPLUS PROPERTY Council declared surplus and authorized
REPORT #72-05 demolition of improvements located at
1063 1/2 W. First Street, acquired in
connection with Project 1276 - First Street from Townsend Stree%~to Hesperian Street,
on motion of Councilman Herrin, seconded by Councilman Evans, and carried on the
following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Herrin, Evans, Griset, Yamamoto, Patterson
Markel
Villa
READING WAIVED On motion of Councilman Herrin,
seconded by Councilman Yamamoto,
and unanimously carried, the full
reading of ordinances and resolutions, the titles of which appeared on the public
Agenda, was waived.
ORD. NS-1104 ORDINANCE NS-1104 CHANGING
A.A. #690 ZONING CLASSIFICATION ON
SEGERSTROM AND BEAR AMENDMENT APPLICATION 690
FILED BY HAROLD T. SEGERSTROM
AND HOWARD BEAR AND AMENDING SECTIONAL DISTRICT MAP 35-5-10
(EXHIBIT A.A. 690-A) was adopted, on motion of Councilman Evans, seconded by
Councilman Yamamoto, and carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Evans, Yamamoto, Herrin, Griset, Markel
Patterson
Villa
CITY COUNCIL -22- January 17, 1972
ORD. NS-1105 ORDINANCE NS-1105 CHANGING
A.A. #694 ZONING CLASSIFICATION ON
C.B. KNICKERBOCKER, ET AL AMENDMENT APPLICATION #694
FILED BY C.B. KNICKERBOCKER,
ET AL, AND AMENDING SECTIONAL DISTRICT MAP 7-5-9 (EXHIBIT A.A. 694-A)
was adopted on motion of Councilman Evans, seconded by Councilman Herrin, and
carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Evans, Herrin, Griset, Yamamoto, Markel
Patterson
Villa
ORD. NS-1106 ORDINANCE NS-1106 CHANGING
A.A. #693 ZONING CLASSIFICATION ON
CAL-PENN LAND COMPANY AMENDMENT APPLICATION 693
FILED BY CAL-PENN LAND
COMPANY AND AMENDING SECTIONAL DISTRICT MAP 17 -5-10 (EXHIBIT A.A.
693-A) was adopted on motion of Councilma~ Evans, seconded by Councilman Herrin,
and carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Evans, Herrin, Griset, Patterson, Markel
Yamamoto
Villa
RES. 72-5 RESOLUTION 72-5 ESTABLISHING
PARKING ON WASHINGTON CERTAIN CURBSIDE PARKING
A VENUE CONDITIONS ON WA SHINGTON
AVENUE FROM BUSH STREET TO
SANTIAGO STREET was adopted on motion of Councilman Evans, seconded by
Councilman Yamamoto, and unanimously carried.
RES. 72-7 RESOLUTION 72-7 ESTABLISHING
RATES FOR REFUSE COLLECTION REVISED SCHEDULE ~OF RATES
FOR REFUSE COLLECTION,
adopted January 3, 1972, was ratified on motion of Councilman Yamamoto, seconded
by Councilman Patterson, and carried on a 4-2 vote, Councilmen Herrin and
Markel dissenting.
RES. 72-10
A.D. 225
CONDEMNATION OF REAL
PROPERTY
RESOLUTION 72-10 AUTHORIZING
CONDEMNATION OF REAL
PROPERTY FOR NECESSARY
IMPROVEMENTS IN ASSESSMENT
DISTRICT 225 was adopted on motion
of Councilman Evans, seconded by Councilman Patterson~ and carried on the
following roll call vote:
AYES: Evans,
NOES: Markel
ABSENT: Villa
Patterson, Herrin, Griset, Yamamoto
CITY COUNCIL -23- January 17, 1972
RES. 72-13 RESOLUTION 72-13 GRANTING
APPEAL #289 APPEAL #289 APPROVING
LORRAINE B. ELAM VARIANCE APPLICATION NO.
7~-62 FILED BY LORRAINE B.
ELAM was adopted on motion of Councilman Herrin, seconded by Councilman
Markel, and carried on a 4-2 vote, Councilmen Evans and Yamamoto dissenting.
RES. 72-14
APPEAL #290
SEGERSTROM & BEAR
SEGERSTROM, ET AL, AND HOWARD BEAR
man Herrin, seconded by Councilman Markel,
RESOLUTION 72-14 GRANTING
APPEAL #290 APPROVING
VARIANCE APPLICATION NO.
71-54 FILED BY HAROLD T.
was adopted on motion of Council-
and unanimously carried.
RES. 72-15 RESOLUTION 72-15 GRANTING
APPEAL #291 APPEAL #291 FILED BY GRACE
GRACE ALBERTS ALBERTS AND APPROVING VA
71-63 FILED BY ELLIS W.
STANLEY was adopted on motion of Councilman Herrin, seconded by Councilman
Evans, and unanimously carried.
GENERAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT Councilman Herrin's motion to
receive and file General Financial
Statement for Fiscal Year ending
June 30, 1971, submitted by City's auditors, Diehl, Evans and Company, was
seconded by Councilman Evans, and carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES: He rrin, Evans,
NOES: Markel
ABSENT: Villa
Griset, Yamamoto,
Patterson
SPEED LIMIT On motion of Councilman Herrin,
seconded by Councilman Yamamoto,
and unanir~)usly carried, Council
instructed the City Attorney to prepare an ordinance reducing the speed limit on
South Bristol Street between Warner and Sunflower Avenues from 45 to 40 miles
per hour.
LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES Councilman Patterson's motion,
seconded by Councilman Yamamoto,
to author~iz~,atte~tan?~,:' at city
expense, of any Santa Ana Planning Commissioner at the L~ague of California
Cities Institute for Planning Commissioners to be held in San Jose February 23
through 25, 1972, carried on a 5-1 vote, Councilman Herrin dissenting.
CITY COUNCIL -24- January 17, 1972
FINAL TRACT MAP On motion of Councilman Herrin,
seconded by Councilman Yamamoto,
and unanimously carried, Council
approved Final Tract Map #7644, south of Segerstrom Avenue and west of Raitt
Street, forty-six (46) lots, accepted the dedications thereon, and the bonds, and
authorized execution of the subdivision agreement.
DEEDS, NO CASH On motion of Councilman Herrin,
GRANTOR, CITY seconded by Councilman Markel,
and unanimously carried, Council
approved the following deeds and authorized their execution by the Mayor and
Clerk:
OWNERS OF RECORD, southwest corner/Moore & Maddock,
drainage easement.
SCAG TOMORROW Councilman Patterson stated that
SCAG stands for Southern California
Association of Governments; that it has
been in existence at least ten years and is a voluntary association of cities and counties
in a~six-coRnty area'inSouthern California that got together with the primary purpose
of solving regional problems, such as air and water pollution, transportation. He
stated that at any given time a member can withdraw and refuse to support the
organization, and therefore, they have not been able to do a lot of things that many
think could be accomplished; that SCAG does not have any funds except membership
dues.
Councilman Patterson stated that the only things SCAG has been in a position to do is
assist in Federal aid; that Federal agencies don't want to assign funds directly to cities;
that they want to go through an umbrella type agency that will screen the request and
this is what SCAG is doing now; that it is primarily a Planning agency. He stated that
because of inability to cope with some regional problems due to lack of authority, the
SCAG Tomorrow Committee was organized; that the committee met a number of times
over a period of a year and has reached the conclusion that they are on the threshold
of saying there will be no SCAG, or they will have to enlarge and enhance its ability
to deal with problems and perhaps consider taxing an involuntary type membership.
Councilman Patterson stated he is a member of the Executive Committee of SCAG;
that the Committee believes there should not be a complete restructuring of the
organization; that basically, the same structure should be retained and membership
should be composed of elected public officials; that because many of the problems
deal with land and transfers and changes in land, it is felt that the type of revenue
source should be property transfer tax, which is presently a state tax~ He stated
that a proposed $. 10 increase would raise a million dollars annually, plus Federal
and State grants; that the purpose would be to allow financial stability to the
organization.
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January 17, 1972
SCAG TOMORROW - (Continued)
Mayor Griset expressed appreciation for the time Councilman Patterson has taken
in this organization; he stated that there are many regional problems that do not
fall within the boundaries of cities or even of counties, and that some form of
regional coordination is necessary~ that otherwise the cities and counties default
to the State and Federal governments; that he believes the control of these very
important matters should be in the hands of Southern California people.
Councilman Markel stated that he believes the League of California Cities is
sufficient representation and recommended that the City rely on the League for
advice and help in matters of local concern.
Councilman Herrin stated that the main purpose of the SCAG organization appears
to be as a referee for Federal funding projects, and he was not in favor of expanding
the organization.
Councilman Herrings motion, seconded by Councilman Evans, to receive and file
the SCAG Tomorrow report dated September 24, 19 71, was carried unanimously.
Councilman Patterson stated that at the general membership meeting of SCAG
on February 10 - 11, the cities would be asked to take a p~sition. Councilman Evans
stated that his position would be the same as Councilmen Markel's and Herrin's;
that he is not in favor of enlarging SCAG or attempting to find a way to finance it.
RANCHO SANTIAGO Councilman Patterson's motion,
COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT seconded by Councilman Evans, to
grant the appeal of the Rancho
Santiago Community College District from Planning Commission's denial of the
District proposal to use a building at 2116 W. Chestnut Street as an off-campus
adult center, carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Patterson, Evans~ Herrin, Griset, Yamamoto
Markel
Villa
Prior to the motion, the Mayor stated that the procedure for a request of this type
is to take the request to the Planning Commission; that it is not necessary for the
Council to hear the matter; that~ regardless of the action of the Planning
Commission, the level of government of the School is such that 30 days after
denial they can proceed; but that it is the desire of the School to have Council's
approval so that they can begin to operate immediately in the adult center.
In further discussion, it was determined that the Planning Commission was aware
of the procedure; however, their denial was based on inadequate parking facilities
at the site. Councilman Patterson stated he assumed the school district will find
a way to meet parking needs. Councilman Markel requested a report on the matter
from the Director of Planning.
CITY COUNCIL -26- January 17, 1972
RECESS
same Councilmen present.
At 3:20 P.M. a recess was
declared. At 3:35 P.M. the
meeting reconvened with the
UNIVERSAL TELEPHONE NO. 911 On motion of Councilman Herrin,
seconded by Councilman Evans,
and unanimously carried, Council
received and ordered filed report of staff concerning use of the universal telephone
number 911.
MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT In response to the policy statement
OF ORANGE COUNTY proposed by the Municipal Water
District of Orange County, on
motion of Councilman Herrin, seconded by Councilman Markel, and unanimously
carried, Council adopted the following policy:
That the City of Santa Ana is opposed to the designation of the Municipal Water
District of Orange County at this time as a central controlling agency for the
development and distribution of water in Orange County, and it further Opposes
the assumption by the Municipal Water District of Orange County of any rights or
authorities which are duplicative of those which already reside with the City of
Santa Ana and/or other local agencies; and to wait for adequate time and
opportunity for all parties, including the Orange County Water Association, to study
this situation and make recommendations.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS Mr. Leo H. Leary, Jr., Chino
CHINO HILLS AIRPORT Hills Airport Complex, Inc.,
824 N. Broadway, Santa Ana,
requested the City's support in their project to construct an airport in the Chino
Hills area. Mr. Leary stated that the airport would meet an acknowledged need
of the 1980's that cannot be satisfied by existing airports; that the full operation of
the airport in the late 1970's or early 1980's should pose no hazard to traffic operations;
that since there are 25,000 acres of relatively uninhabited land available for the
airport and buffer zone it would afford protection against residential encroachment;
that it would be 13 miles southwest of Ontario and 16 miles north of Orange County;
that runways would be approximately 1400 feet above mean seal level which will be
above the inversion level and decrease noise; that it would be financed through use
of revenue bonds; that it is important to the economy of Orange County as it will
provide an estimated 20,000 permanent jobs, with many more being created by
indflstrial and commercial activities surrounding the airport.
Mr. Leafy stated that his organization feels Orange County needs this airport; that
ii will create jobs that Orange County needs; that on February 3, 1972, they will be
submitting their application through FAA and are asking for the support of the cities
of Orange County.
Councilman Markel stated that the site is a number of miles from Santa Ana and he
did not know whether the City should throw the load of noise, etc. , on that area.
CITY COUNCIL -27- January 17, 1972
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
CHINO HILLS AIRPORT - (Continued)
Councilman Evans stated he was nbt prepared to support such a resolution without
some sort of advice or study from others not involved in the report; that he
believes the need is there, but there are a lot of aspects that the Council is not
familiar with. Councilman Herrin concurred.
Councilman Herrin's motion to refer the matter to staff for further information
and report to Council was seconded by Councilman Evans and unanimously carried.
RECESS At 4:05 P.M., the meeting was
recessed to 7:30 P.M., at which
time it was reconvened with the
following Council members present: Vernon S. Evans, Wade Herrin, J. Ogden
Markel, Ray Villa, Harry K. Yamamoto, and Mayor Lorin Griset. Councilman
P~tterson arrived at 10:00 P. M.
APPEAL #286 The Mayor opened the public
VA 71-52 hearing on Appeal #286 filed by
G.L.A. DEVELOPMENT COMPANY G.L.A. Development Company
appealing Condition 6-A of Variance
Application 71-52, approved by the Planning Commission, to construct an 84-unit
apartment development in the R 1 District at 5140 W. McFadden Avenue.
The Director of Planning stated that the General Plan indicates low density for
this area; that there are some apartment developments, but the area is mainly
single-family residences; that in addition to density of 25 units per acre, the
coverage is 57% which is considerably in excess of what the Code allows; that the
Planning Commission recognized some of the difficulties, and even though they
were willing to exceed the General Plan density, they did adopt the staff recommenda-
tion that if the Variance were granted, it be restricted to the density of 15 units per
acre,
The Clerk reported no written communications had been received.
Mr. George Argyros, 17291Irvine, Tustin, stated that they are very close to
solving this property's problelns which they have dealt with for seven years; that
they are appealing only a portion of the condition 6-A; that they can meet the
condition of 50% open space. Slides were presented on the Viewgraph showing the
property as it is today; and color prospective, site plan, and elevation study of
the proposed project were presented. He stated the total value would approximate
$1, 000,000. In response to a question from the Mayor, Mr. Argyros stated that the
new plan would eliminate all 3-bedroom units, bringing the total units to
approximately 74.
There were no further proponents or opponents in the matter, and the Mayor closed
the public hearing.
CITY COUNCIL -28- January 17, 1972
APPEAL #286 - VA 71-52
G.L.A, DEVELOPMENT COMPANY - (Continued)
Councilman Yamamoto stated that he is against high density in the area; that he
does not believe building a 25 unit per acre project would solve the problem of
development of the site but would create a permanent problem to the residents in
the area.
Councilman Villa commented that residents within 300 feet of the site are notified
of the public hearing, but there were none present.
In response to Councilman Markel's question, Mr. Argyros stated that there were
numerous problems ~vith the site because of the small size bounded by two arterial
highways, the shape, and an unhealthy soil situation; that 21 units per acre would
be acceptable, but 15 units per acre is too low a density to warrant professional
management.
Councilman Evans stated it was inconceivable and uneconomical to expect a builder
to put in an R 1 or commercial development; that the developer has indicated he is
willing to cooperate with the City in reducing the density and increasing the open
space.
Councilman Evans' motion, seconded by Councilman Villa, to grant the appeal
and instruct the City Attorney to prepare a Resolution approving Variance
Application 71o52 subject to conditions of approval contained in the Commission
report, except that Condition 6-A shall read: "Submit revised plot plan showing
project with minimum 50% open space and a density not to exceed 21 units per acre
carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Evans, Villa, Herrin, Griset, Markel
Yamamoto
Patterson
RECESS
At 8:10 P.M., a recess was declared.
The meeting reconvened at 8:15 P. M.
with the same Councilmen present.
The Mayor announced that Mr. Robert R. Washer was in the audience waiting for a
decision on the public hearing held at the January 3rd meeting. Councilman Herrin's
motion, seconded by Councilman Evans, to hear Agenda Item #80 next, was
unanimously carried.
APPEAL #288 Councilman Yamamoto stated that he
CUP 71-34 had inspected the area involved at
ROBERT R. WASHER 3500 W. 17th Street; that he believed
the conditions imposed by the
Planning Commission for a planter and trees were necessary; and that he was not
in favor of granting the appea]~
Councilman Herrin stated that Mr. Washer~s neighbor had the same requirements
lifted under very similar circumstances and that he believed everybody should be
treated the same,
CITY COUNCIL -29- January 17, 1972
APPEAL #288 - VA 71-34
ROBERT R. WASHER - (Continued)
Councilman Herrin moved to grant Appeal #288 filed by Robert R. Washer
appealing the requirements for lighting fee, trees, and 4~ decorative wall
contained in Conditional Use Permit 7t-34~ approved by the Plannir~ Commission,
allowing retail sales in the M 1 District at 3500 W. 17th Street (Westminster).
Motion was seconded by Councilman Evans and carried on the following roll call
vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Herrin, Evans, Villa, Griset, Markel
Yamamoto
Patterson
Councilman Evans' motion, seconded by Councilman Herrin, to change the
dollar amount in Condition S-D from $1, 095.00 to $446.00, was unanimously
carried.
COMPENSATION REQUESTS
The Mayor opened the public hearing
on compensation requests of the
Police and Fire Departments.
The Clerk read aloud letters favoring the Fire Department's requests received
from the following persons:
Harry F. Worsley, 2418 N. Alona Street
Elizabeth T. Sayres, 120 E. Chestnut
Councilman Herrin's motion~ seconded by Councilman Markel to receive and
file the two communications was unanimously carried.
Mr. Larry Nemelka, 2133 N. Laird Street, President of the Santa Ana Police
Benevolent Association, stated that the Association represents 174 of the sworn
personnel and 10 of the non-sworn personnel of the Santa Ana Police Department;
that they have been working together as a group towards a better city but have been
faced with several problems, one of which involves the compensation package
presented to Council; that when their representative could not reach an agreement
with the City Manager, 160 officers voted to retain Mr. Rodolfo Montejano to
represent the Association in further negotiations.
Mr. Rodolfo Montejano, 1212 N. Broadway~ Santa Aha, stated that he did not
believe the City could afford the package as presented this year as it is a "catch-up"
plan. He presented slides indicating the increase~ in crime in the City from 1965 -
71; a comparison of salaries and fringe benefits between the City of Santa Ana and
19 others, comparing the City of Santa Ana, in particular, to Los Angeles, Oakland,
and Anaheim, since their problems are basically the same as those of Santa Ana;
a graph showing the ratio of total population to minority composition of the various
cities; the "clearance rate" in relation to number of crimes. In connection with
these slides, Mr~ Montejano stated that Santa Ana compares with other cities in its
class as to basic salaries~ but is far below in fringe benefits; that the crime rate in
the City is increasing, and the clearance rate, or number of crimes solved, is
decreasing. He referred to the salary proposal, stating that Santa Ana is not an
CITY COUNCIL -30- January 17, 1972
COMPENSATION REQUESTS - (Continued)
average city but is paying average salaries; that the Police Association is requesting
an 8% increase in monthly compensation--in some limited areas, 8.5%; that Federal
guidelines do not prohibit a merit-type increase, and they are proposing Police
increases solely on the basis of performance; that the City cannot continually pay
higher salaries without getting something in return. He suggested a pilot program
in the Police Department on a limited basis for this year to determine if the merit
plan is feasible; that they are also requesting a reduction in time in which the
Patrolmen can go from minimum to maximum salary range. He presented a graph
showing years of service with the City, which indicated that out of 163 policemen,
87 have 5 years or less experience; that 137 have 8 years or less; and suggested that
with lack of experience in the Police Departments problems of law enforcement in
the City will increase.
He stated that Santa Ana presently pays $15.00 of the premium for Health Insurance
benefits, and that all other cities used in the survey pay the entire premium, as well
as the life insurance premium; and long term disability is included at Anaheim; that
the City of Santa Ana provides retirement at age 55, and that 75% of the cities surveyed
have retirement at age 50; that in regard to retirement, medical benefits and salary,
Santa Ana is at the bottom; that the Police Department would like to come up to the
average in terms of the entire corr~pensation package. Referring to incentive pay, he
stated that in Santa Ana, only the Patrolmen are given incentive pay; that it 'should be
applied to the entire department He also stated that officers are expected to be on
duty during their lunch hour and are not compensated for this; that they are asking
for reconsideration and study of overtime pay; that the staff has made a recommendation
concerning vacation and sick leave and the Association requests approval of that
recommendation; that the average Police staff on the survey is 1.45 officers per 1, 000
citizens, but in Santa Ana it is 1.17 officers per l, 000 citizens; that in regard to the
clearance rate, Santa Ana's rate has dropped to 40% but is still well above cities used
in comparison. Pie stated that the people want and deserve better police protection;
and that the Council should also consider eq~ipment, procedures within the department,
and morale, He recommended that Council establish a committee, with input from
the community, to review these matters and their solutions.
RECESS
At 9:15 P.M., a recess was declared.
The meeting reconvened at 9:25 P.M.
with the same Council members present.
COMPENSATION REQUESTS - (Continued) Mr. Steven H. Silver, Attorney
representing the Santa Ana Firemen's
Association, stated that the Fire
Department has tried to present City management with a package and course of action
that can be accomplished now; that the Fire Department is equally lacking in the area
of fringe benefits; that their demands are not unreasonable; that the Firemen's
Association has made three demands: salary, reduction in hours, and a new retire-
ment program. He discussed the fireman's work unit, which is in terms of a 24-hour
shift; that the number of shifts varies each week since there is no divisible number of
days each week; that Santa Ana*s basic element is the 3-platoon system where a fire
fighter works, or is given credit for vacation, sick leave or holiday, one out of three
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COMPENSATION REQUESTS - (Continued)
days for the entire week, which makes a 56-hour week; that Santa Ana varies from
that by what is known as the pay-back system where the fireman is required to pay
back eight shifts during the year; and that this means they are required to work eight
shifts more than would be required under a 56-hour week; that the word "pay-back"
is in effect a vacation or holiday shift that was awarded that the man is required to
pay back to the City.
He stated that the Association is requesting the 2% at 5(]. Retirement Plan, which means
the employee can retire at age 50 and the amount of pension would be 2% of his salary
for each year of service; that this plan was first instituted by the Highway Patrol on
a statewide basis for all sworn patrolmen; that under the present system in Santa Ana,
a fireman may not retire until age 55 at 50% of his salary, and there are no widows[
or survivors' continuance benefits. He further stated that the meet and confer sessions
should take place before the budget is adopted in July; and that an added problem this
year was Federal government's freeze and ceiling on compensation; that the City is now
in a better position than it would have been because it now has approximately six months
of funds available that were not paid to the employees, lie stated that the average fire-
man in Santa Ana works longer hours than his counterpart performing substantially the
same kind of work; that in December, 1969, it was acknowledged that a reduction in
hours would be accomplished in a 3 - 5 year period; that the Association offered to
defer reduction for one year, but that the staff indicated they were reluctant to make any
commitment at the present time. Mr. Silver stated that the Association has offered
to defer implementation of retirement benefits as much as two years because they
appreciate the city's fiscal problems, but again the City is negative; that the staff
apparently does not see the gravity of the situation; that the men should be paid what
they are worth; that Santa Ana has a first-class Fire Department--one of the best in
the entire United States, and they should be rewarded; and he presented slides showing
comparison figures in a 19-city survey.
Councilman Patterson arrived at 10:00 P~ M.
Mr. Silver stated that in order to place Santa Ana at the average in salary, hours,
and retirement program, it is only necessary to spend approximately the same amount
of money saved because of the freeze and the delay in starting negotiations; that they
have shown a way where the reduction in hours could be accomplished at no cost to the
City and in no way decrease the quality of services offered to the citizens; and that they
have the people of Santa Ana behind them. He submitted approximately 400 letters,
which Council received and ordered filed on motion of Councilman Herrin, seconded
by Councilman Markel, and unanimously carried.
Mr. Gary Olson, 2201 N. Raitt Street, stated he was present in support of the Police
Benevolent Association; that there were many people here from the group but they had
to leave because of the lateness of the hour; that they are requesting Council to
investigate and analyze the problems as they exist today.
Miss Donna Heishman, member of Glass Mountain Inn which is a club £or the disabled,
stated that they hope to have a home where the handicapped can work and live; that the
firemen have helped the organization with transportation; that without them they would
have no way of getting to their meetings and activities; and that she hoped consideration
would be given to a raise for the firemen.
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COMPENSATION REQUESTS - (Continued)
Mr. Harry Bailey, 409 Nobel Avenue, Apt. A, stated he would like to second
. Do~na's statements concerning the invaluable help the firemen have given their
group; that (me fireman has spent many hours in the last few months transporting
himandthis~fianceeback and forth so that they could see each other; and that any-
thing that will make their working conditions brighter and easier, should be done.
Miss Patricia Fellows, also a member of Glass Mountain Inn, stated that she depends
on the firemen for transportation after hours to Glass Mountain activities; that she
realizes the Glass Mountain Inn is not the only organization that benefits from the
Santa Ana Firemen and Police Benevolent Associations; that when the City Council
and City Administration considers employees~ benefits, they must also consider the
people who stand behind the members of the Council, and behind the men on the City
Fire and Police Departments.
Mr. B0~ Atkins, 4618 W. Maury Avenue, stated he would like to support the Police
Department~as they supported him in time of need when his house was broken into;
that he feels the Police Department should have full support in the program they
have put forth to educate the officers and to do the best job possible for the city;
that if the City does not provide proper incentive, they are training police officers
for other cities; that the department needs the influence of more expe.rienced officers
for better community relations.
Mr. Walty Davis, 729 S. Cypress, stated that he has probably been involved in more
cases involving Police community relations than any attorney in town; that many times
the people causing problems are a very small group; that there is a lack of morale, a
need for salary increases, and a need for numbers to cover a situation so things do not
have to be done in a hasty manner; and he strongly urged the Council to consider the
presentation of the Police Benevolent A ss~ciation.
Mr. Paul Blake, 501 S. Glenarbor, stated that they owe the Police and Fire Depart-
ments a great deal more than they can ever repay; that he has lived in the city for
ten years and is a businessman here; that he has had to call them in at different
times and they are fine individuals; that they are the ones who protect us and our
children and we owe them every bit they are asking for and more.
Mr. Larry Andrews, 1030 S~ Newhope, stated that he wanted t~ go on record as
supporting the proposals submitted by the police and firemen.
Mr. Alex Acevedo, 306 East 4th Street, stated that in 1968 his place of business was
burglarized and he lost over $4,000; that the Police Department assigned a detective
with nine years of service; that two days later that officer resigned and went to work
for another department; three days later another detective was assigned who resigned
in five days; that in that same year Officer Sasscer was assassinated and the burglary
case was dropped because of lack of personnel; that he thinks as a taxpayer he deserves
better protection; that the businessmen on East 4th Street have requested the City to
provide better lighting, and they are willing to sacrifice that request for better
police protection~
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COMPENSATION REQUESTS - (Continued)
Mr. Lynn Jeffries, 4409 W. Camille, Apt. B, stated that in order to preserve a
well ordered and secure society we need the stabilizing influence of a police force
that is consistent and adequate; that this is contingent upon adequate compensation;
that he personally appreciates the service of the Police force; that if present trends
continue the City will have serious problems; and for these reasons he would like to
support the recommendations and proposals made by the Police Association.
Mr. Louis Caudillo, 515 S. Flower, stated that the Fire Department sponsors the
Glass Mountain Inn for physically handicapped people; that he is in favor of wage
increases for both the Fire and Police Depart~nent personnel.
Mr. John Kingsman, 221~ N. Arden, stated he has been in apositionfor the past
ten to fifteen years where he has .dealt with Fire and Police Departments through-
out California and neighboring states; that he can testify to the statements made in
regard ' to the morale problems the City is confronted with; that we cannot wait
and watch other cities progress when we are confronted with our own problems; that
these men have tak-an the oath to serve the public, and now it is up to the public to
serve them and help them.
The City Manager stated he would like to try to keep the record straight. He stated
he had never met Mr. Nemelka in any kind of meet and confer situation; that in
November he met Mr. Montejano for the first time and since then there has never
been a member of the Police Department sitting in session with management in
regard to any of its problems; that he has met with Mr. Silver time after time, and
he has been accompanied by one member of the Fire Department who never made a
contribution either for or against any of the discussions. He stated that the information
presented by Mr. Montejano at the hearing was never presented in any of the
discussions; that certain things were demanded with no support whatever; that he has
gone on record that the so-called California Highway Patrol 2% at 50 is not in the
public interest; that it would cost the City about $350,000 a year just for the Police
and Fire Departments. He stated that the information presented did not take into
consideration the increase in the patrolman's pay rate over a ten year period from
$600 to $1038, with a possible maximum of $1176; that the City was prepared to go
forward with an incentive program up to $1234, but that no longer has the support of
Mr. Montejano; that there is an incentive program for patrolmen which includes
Sergeants and Lieutenants; that it does not include Investigators because it is hoped
to get those men back into the field where they will provide the greatest amount of
service to the people of the community; that for ten years the factor of clearance
upon arrest has been 40% or higher; that Santa Ana is not a crime-ridden city; that
it is the fourth lowest of all the major cities of California; that the rate of increase
has not been as great as for the state as a whole. He stated that the turn-over rate
in police personnel in the City of Santa Ana is less than the turn-over rate in any -
other city of a similar type and size; that the largest turn-over figure is during the
one-year probation; that this City lets more men go during the first year of
employment than any other Police Department. He stated that the~level of reward
has been given serious consideration every year; that for many,rears it has been the
principle of the City of Santa Ana to make changes in rates of pay or in fringe benefit
grants as of the first of September; that an investigation was made-of how many
policemen were required to work during their lunch hour, and it was learned that 3%
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COMPENSATION REQUESTS - (Continued)
were called away from lunch and were unable to complete it; that during that same
time, men in the Street Division and Water Division were pulled away from their
lunch period also.
In regard to Fire Department hours, he stated that at the time the City went on a
3-platoon shift, he warned that it would be necessary to increase the staff to go to
a 56-hour work week but that it would take from 3 - 5 years to accomplish this;
that when Mr. Silver says the man comes back and works his vacation shift he
is not being factual; that if he were working a 5g-hour week, he would be working
122 shifts; that the Santa Ana Fire Department works 130 shifts and eight of those
are the "t~back" shifts to make it a 60-hour week; that the City went from 62.7
to a 60-hour week; that to get to 56 hours, 8 shifts would have to be~61iminated;
that his actual number of work shifts, including the fact that he is not charged for
vacation, sick leave, etc., is about 113.7, not 130 or 122. He stated that in regard
to patrolmen, during the period of time that his base pay has increased approximately
67%, the cost of Living increment for the Los Angeles area has been 32.5%; that
Santa Ana was the first city to completely uniform and outfit both Police and Fire
Department personnel at city expense; that it was the first city to create an incentive
program based upon the principle of rotation. He stated that it is not true that
restrictions established by the Federal government do not include fringe benefits;
that costs of reduced hours, retirement pay, termination pay, etc., are included
in the over-all permissive amount of money that can be paid.
RECESS
At 11:05 P.M., a recess was declared.
The meeting reconvened at 11:15 P. ~M.
with all Councilmen present.
COMPENSATION REQUESTS - (Continued)
Rodolfo Montejano requested that the
Council set up a Commission to
study the situation.
Steven H. Silver stated that no matter how you look at it, there are ~eight pay backs
that the men have to work and that is what the Council is asked to eliminate.
Edward Allen, the Chief of Police, stated that although he came to the meeting only
to listen, he would like to speak; that he is satisfied the City Manager and the City
Council have been as generous as they can in the area of pay raises--perhaps not
generous enough to suit the Police Chief or any policeman. He stated that he wanted
to assure all policemen that no reprisal will be made against them because they went
outside of their own group for the presentation; but that he cannot let criticism of
the Police Department go by unnoticed; that the 40% clearance rate of Part I Crimes
is 100% better than the national rate; that in 1955 the crime clearance rate for Santa
Ana was between 20 and 25%; that it has risen as high as 50%, but has constantly
been 40% or better in the past decade; that in that matter, Mr. Montejano was very
misleading. He stated that when he came to Santa Ana, the detective bureau was a
civil service rating; that most of the progressive and successful police administrators
in the country do not believe that the title of detective should be civil service; that
experienced men are needed on the street, and it is the policy of the department to
send a police officer back on the street with experience in traffic, vice squad, and
other police work, and therefore, ultimately, he should be paid more than just a
specialist in the detective bureau because he is a detective plus much more.
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January l7, 1972
COMPENSATION REQUESTS - (Continued)
There were no further proponents or opponents in the matter, andthe Mayor
closed the public hearing.
The Mayor suggested that the matter should be referred to Administration for
further consideration with the Council; that he felt he had a good grasp of the
situation; that each person is speaking from a different viewpoint; that the
City Manager was hired to meet and confer and the Council will not attempt to
do that job.
Councilman-Evans requested a copy of the information presented to the City
Manager by Mr. Silver concerning retirement and reduction in hours.
Councilman Patterson stated that everyone should have just one goal in mind and
that is to provide the best service possible; that apparently some new facts have
arisen; that with so many questions unanswered, he would not like to express a
vote at this time; that he would like more time to study the facts and discuss them
with the Manager. Councilman Yamamoto agreed.
Mr. Silver stated he would supply the information requested, but objected to having
the Council meet with the Manager without Fire and Police Department representatives
present. He concurred with a suggestion made by Mr. Montejano to refer the matter
to an outside mediator.
Councilman Patterson stated he does not believe the matter is at an impasse
until the Council has made a decision, and that he would be willing to meet with
the rest of the Council to evaluate the information presented.
Councilman Villa stated he would prefer to have the matter g-~ back to the City
Managen and to both Associations for further conference before bringing it back
to the Council; that if the Associations and the Staff cannot reach an agreement,
then it would be up to the Council to take a position.
Councilman Patterson's motion to continue the matter and refer it to a Special
Meeting of the City Council at 4:00 P.M. on Monday, January 31, 1972, in the Mayor's
Office, died for lack of a second.
Councilman Markel~s motion, seconded by Councilman Villa, to refer the matter
to Staff and to the Police and Fire representatives for further meetings and report
back to Council failed on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Markel, Villa, Yamamoto
NOES: Evans, I-Ierrin, Griset, Patterson
ABSENT: None
Councilman Patterson moved to continue this item to January 31 at 7:00 P.M. in
the Mayor's office, Room 303, 217 N. Main Street, to be considered further in
a public meeting. Motion was seconded by Councilman Evans and failed on the
following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Patterson, Evans~ Griset
Villa, Herrin, Yamamoto, Markel
None
CITY COUNCIL -36- January 17, 1972
COMPENSATION REQUESTS - (Continued)
Councilman Herrin's motion to deny all requests failed for lack of a second.
Councilman Yamamoto's motion to refer the entire matter to Staff for further
consideration with Council after consultation with representatives of the two
Associations, and representatives from the Police and Fire Departments, was
seconded by Councilman Markel.
At Councilman Evans~ request for a time and date, the motion was amended,
with the approval of Councilmen Yamamoto and Markel, to set the time £or the
Council meeting at 7:00 P.M. on Monday, January 31, in the Mayor's Office,
City Hall. Motion carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Yamamoto, Markel, Villa, Evans, Griset,
Herrin
None
Patterson
RECESS
present.
At 12:15~.M., a recess was
declared. The meeting reconvened
at 12:2~ A. l~I. with all Councilmen
pROPOSED NEW BUS ROUTES
system.
The Mayor opened the public
hearing on the bus routes proposed
to be added to the city-owned bus
On motion of Councilman Yamamoto, seconded by Councilman Patterson, and
carried on a 6 - 1 vote, Councilman Markel dissenting, the following documents
were received and ordered filed:
(a)
Affidavits of publications of the proposed routes, published
three separate times in The Register and The Los Angeles
Times, and once in The Voice of Orange County;
(b) Affidavit of notices mailed to government agencies, civic,
organizations and clubs, homeowners' groups, and the public.
The Clerk of the Council read the following written communications received in
connection with the proposed Bus Project and New Bus Routes:
"Santa Ana City Council
Jan. 13, 1972
Dear Sirs:
I am hoping that the bus stop at Sullivan and McFadden will
continue. It seems very necessary that there should be one
there because of the apartments.
/s/ Mrs. Charles Gullo
800 S. Sullivan - E 4
Santa Ana, California"
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January 17, 1972
PROPOSED NEW BUS ROUTES - (Continued)
"City Council
Santa Ana
Jan. 12, 1972
Dear Sir:
" After studying the map of the new Route for the city bus, I
find the Sullivan - McFadden st. has been eliminated. There
are a lot of Senior Citizens in that area, also the Voltaire Apts.,
and a lot of people do not have cars; those must depend on the
bus. There is a Trailer Court next to the Apts., and many from
this court ride the bus, and all -get on at the Sullivan - McFadden
stop. So please take this into consideration.
" Fashion Square does not seem to be on the route, that's a
good shopping center, and I'd like to see that route continued.
ride the bus constantly.
Thank You,
/s/ Mrs. Agnes Schmit
800 So. Sullivan, K-2, Santa Ana, Calif."
"Dear Mayor Griset:
January 11, 1972
"In support of the new buses and bus routes let me say as a State
Employee that it is alleged there will be n__~o parking facilities
. available for the new state building to be completed July 197,3.
"If for 50 cents a day I can ride a bus from near Main & McFadden
to the new state building near Civic Center Drive, you have a steady
bus customer. Why drive and then walk ~ to 8 blocks to work --
"There are many state employees who live in Santa Ana that I am
sure would consider riding a bus if the 30 misfire interval is
carried out.
Stenographer II"
Thank you -
/s/ Helen M. Schaefer
1333 S. Cypress
Santa Aha
"The Hon. Mayor Grise~
Mayor of Santa Ana,
Santa Aha, California:
January 16~ 1972,
Santa Ana, California,
Sir:
IRe: City Bus Lines.
" .When the City was considering the take-over of the Santa Ana
]Bus Lines I was an active supporter of what I thought then a move
to improve the then existing schedule and operation in general. In
fact, I wrote a letter in the support of the City purchasing the Bus
system with the hope there would be a gradual improvement of
schedules, fares and etc.
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January 17, 1972
PROPOSED NEW BUS ROUTES - (Continued)
" At first there was a noticeable improvement of bus operation,
especially in the lower bus fare. But gradually there was a
return to the old way of operation, by this I mean it seems each
bus line operated on it's own schedule. There has been very
little attempt to coordinate the bus schedule. As was announced
with the new schedule when the City took over the Bus Lines, all
busses would meet at 15 minutes to the hour and 15 minutes after
the hour at the corner of 4th. and Broadway. This would have been
an excellent system if your bus drivers would have held to this
previous arrangement. I well understand there would be times-
when there was an unfortunate breakdown or other reasons where
this might be impossible.
" But Sir: I mean when you have the Number 3 Line that seems
to operate on it"s very own schedule, and at times being 15 or 20
minutes late in getting to 4th. and Broadway. Then this situation
has happened to me like on Friday afternoon when arriving on the
No. 3 Line, the number 5 Line took off while we were only about
100 ft. away. This was clear stupidity, and this blunder left
three of us wating for another full half hour for the return of this
bus.
" I feel Sir, that under the circumstances it is a total waste of
money to buy any more new busses. If you can't operate the old
ones on a reasonable schedule, why waste the taxpayers hard
earned money on new equipment. It's not the equipment that needs
to be changed but the personal. Thank you Sir:
1401 So. Broadway, Apt. #2,
Santa Ana, Calif. 92707"
/s/ George A. Du Haime
5106 Hazard Ave.
Santa Aha, Calif.
1-15-72
92703
Santa Ana City Manager
217 No. Main Street
Santa Ana, California 92701
Dear Sir:
"It would be very much appreciated if you could route a bus so it
would serve the area in the vicinity of 14~B1 LaVerne Way. This
would be a great help to some elderly ladies who live in that
development.
"Please excuse my using this paper.
lay my hands on.
Best wishes,
It was the best I could
/s/ Lorraine B. Elam"
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January 17, 1972
PROPOSED NEW BUS ROUTES - (Continued)
"The City Council
530 No. Ross St.
Santa Ana, Calif.
Country Club Mobile Manor
518 So. Sullivan
Santa Ana, Calif.
Gentlemen:
" I am in receipt of the "Santa Ana News Story" enclosing a
copy of the "Proposed Bus Routes".
" I live in the area covered by line 4. Our residents as
well as many of those living in the mobile park known as Coach
Royal signed and sent in petitions some time ago asking for a
change in this route which now contains a bus stop at McFadden
& Sullivan. I note that your new proposed route still contains
this stop.
" There is a large concentration of people living in mobile
parks and apartments situated in the Fairview & Sullivan area.
Many of these occupants are elderly and without cars and the bus
stop at McFadden & Sullivan is not only a long distance for these
prospective riders to walk, but is also a stop at a very dangerous
inte rse ction.
" Many of us are wondering if a stop could be arranged closer
to this area in which we live.
" Your careful consideration in this manner will be most
appreciated.
Yours very truly,
ESTHER C. WHEELER
/s/ Esther C. Wheeler
Esther C. Wheeler
510 Pear Lane
Santa Ana, Calif. 92704"
"Please do not take the bus off Mcfadden and Sullivan.
"Many senior citizens get on at that corner, besides other ages.
"I am a regular customer.
Thank you sincerely
/s/ Hazel Vattal
800 So. Sullivan"
"Councilman Mr. Markel
City Hall Annex
North Ross St
Santa Ana, Calif
Jan. 15, 1972
Dear Mr. Markel
"As you are my councilman I shall address this to you. I will
not be able to attend a night meeting (why can't there be daylight
meetings) I am certainly in support of the new bus system. I
think the East-West Routes are excellent. I am a property
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PROPOSED NEW BUS ROUTES - (Continued)
"owner, tax payer & bus patron.
Yours very truly
Evelyn Yost
324 E. Myrtle
Santa Ana, Calif. 92701
"Santa Ana City Ccu ncil
City Hall Annex
530 N. Ross Street
Santa Ana, California
Gentlemen:
January 16, 1972
"I am very concerned over the change of the "Proposed Bus Routs"] .
Have patronized the bus service daily for over six years. I live
at 2918 W. Raymar, Santa Ana, which is just off of Willits and
Fairview. As the present route stands now I get off at Sullivan
and McFadden. The new route that is proposed would be First
street and Fairview. This is a very dangerous route from the
pedestrian point of view for the following reasons:
A good portion of Fairview from First Street does not have
side-walk of any kind. The east side of Fairview does have
far more side-walk than the west. (Walking where there is no
side-walk does not help the looks of your shoes either. )
However the part that doesn't have sidewalk is like walking
up a side of a hill, and very close to the speeding cars.
IT2.
Fairview street is very, very busy street in fact they sould
call it the Fairview Freeway. There is a cross walk at
Fairview and Willits. It may as well not be there for the
speeding cars, for the most part, do not slow down for it. It
is like buying a one way ticket to the cemetery to cross there
especially during the hours when traffic is especially heavy
going to work and returning home.
"In fact they should have a stop light there not only from the pedestrian
point of view, but cars too. We who live in the tract homes off of
Fairview find it extremely dangerous and almost impossible to get
on to Fairview.
"On the new routing you are also missing Fashion Square, which
makes it bad for the people who work in that area like my neighbor
and others who I know go out there too. The present route you
now have, you can at least get home in a safe and sane fashion. So
rather than spend money for air-conditioning I would rather see the
city spend money to make it safe for the people to catch the bus.
Since rely,
/s/ Lucile Badders
(Mrs.) Lucile Badders
2918 W. Raymar
Santa Ana, California "
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PROPOSED NEW BUS ROUTES - (Continued)
"To the City Council:
1-13 -72
"If I'm reading this correctly, the nearest Santa Aha buses go to
Fashion Square, etc., is 17th & Main. The only bus going out
North Main is the RTD; therefore, for people like me (no car),
it would mean two fares--one on the Santa Ana bus and one on RTD.
"There must be other retired people like me who have had to go
to the stores out there or to the medical center on many occasions.
(Map attached)
/s/ Mrs. E.T. Sayers
(Mrs.) E.T. Sayers
120 E. Chestnut, Santa Ana
Dial-the-Mayor call received 1/17/72
10:35 A.M.
"Mrs. Weimer of 800 S. Sullivan lives in an apartment complex
of 562 apartments on Sullivan and she uses the bus stop at
McFadden and Sullivan as well as a lot of the others in the
apartments. Most of these people are senior citizens who
depend on the bus service. There are a number of trailer
parks in this area who also use this stop. She is very opposed
to removal of this bus stop."
Mr. Allen Anderson, representing the Goodwill Industries, Fifth and Fairview
Streets, stated they were very pleased to note the service outlined in the proposed
bus routes was to benefit the poor, elderly, and handicapped. They were very
disappointed in looking at the west route that it is not closer to the largest facility
of rehabilitation of the handicapped in the community. He suggested that perhaps the
bus could come out Fifth or Fairview and make a circle through their property; that
in the last year, approximately 1800 clients and employees visited the facility; that
approximately 750 cannot or do not drive; that in addition, there are approximately
50 per day coming to the facility for counseling; and that Goodwill Industries is
requesting better service to Fifth and Fairview Streets.
Mrs. Marian H,uggins, 2529 W. Harbor, stated she is happy that the bus service
is improving; that the City needs this type of transportation; that this type of
transportation should be promoted, perhaps by disc jockeys on the air, and that
everything should be done to give passes to senior citizens and young people.
The Rev. Galal Gough, 2112 N. Baker, Chairman of the Human Relations Commission,
stated that the Commission also would like to see the buses stop at Goodwill Industries,_~
as well as farther to the west, but it is realized that due to limitations in number of
buses and the 30-minute headways, everything cannot be accomplished; that the
Commission feels this is a fair and reasonable effort to serve the minorities, and
wishes to reaffirm its position of endorsing the entire program.
Mrs. Martha Ward, 811-C West 15th Street, suggested that perhaps a bus could be
sent at night to adult education classes at the High School; that it is possible to get
to Santa Ana College, but there is no way to get to Valley High School.
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PROPOSED NEW BUS ROUTES - (Continued)
Mr. Paul Riordan, Director of Career Development Education, Santa Ana High
School District, stated that for many years they have been trying to expand their
program, but reached the level where they could not because of lack of transportation;
that 248 students would like to come into the program but cannot because of lack
of transportation.
Mr. Louis Caudillo, Community Coordinator for Santa Ana College, stated that
the routes will benefit the 10,000 students who attend Santa Aha College~ many of
whom have transportation p~,~blems.
There were no further proponents or opponents who wished to be heard in the matter,
and the Mayor closed the public hearing, and called for Council discussion.
Councilman Herrin stated that it is obvious that everybody wants the bus route to go
by his house, place of business, or school; and that this is the weakness of attempting
to supply a service at public expense.
Councilman Markel stated that it is obvious that no matter what routes are decided upon,
they don't mean anything; that the City is going to lose money on it.
In response to Councilman Evans' question, the Assistant City Manager stated that
the proposed routes are the result of the level of service which the Council set, which
was level 2 in the consultant's report, and provided for the number of buses, the
frequency, and route mileage; that it has always been known that this bus project will
not make money and will have to be subsidized; that it is primarily to serve the needs
of those in the City who really need bus transportation, such as the elderly, young,
and handicapped. He stated the consultant for the City was in the audience and was
prepared to make a presentation to the Council showing major services, shopping
centers, governn~ental agencies, hospitals, etc., that would be reached by the
proposed new bus routes. The Mayor stated that the Rapid Transit buses from the
City of Los Angeles serve some of these areas, and since the Santa Ana system is
limited in the number of routes, they have tried to eliminate duplications of RTD
routes.
Councilman Patterson's motion, seconded by Councilman Villa, to adopt the proposed
bus routes as submitted for inclusion in the proposed application for federal grant,
carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Patterson, Villa, Griset, Yamamoto
Evans, Herrin, Markel
None
Councilman Yamamoto moved that if changes in the routes are made after operations
begin, the first change to be considered would be to provide service west of Harbor
Boulevard. Motion was seconded by Councilman Patterson and carried on the following
roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Yamamoto, Patterson, Villa, Evans, Griset
Herrin, Markel
None
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January 17, 1972
PROPOSED BUS PROJECT The Mayor opened the public hearing
on the proposed final application
for a Mass Transportation Capital
Improvement Grant under the Urban Mass Transportation Act of 1964.
On motion of Councilman Yamamoto, seconded by Councilman Patterson, and
carried on a 5 - 2 vote, Councilmen Evans and Markel dissenting, the following
documents were received and ordered filed:
(a)
Affidavits of publications of the proposed Application for a
Mass Transportation Capital Improvement Grant under the
Urban Mass Transportation Act of 1964, published three
separate times in The Register and The Los Angeles Times,
and once in The Voice of Orange County.
(b) Affidavit of notices mailed to governmental agencies, civic
organizations and clubs, homeowners' groups, and the public.
Councilman Herrin was excused from the meeting because of illness.
The Mayor asked the staff to describe the proposed project briefly and announced
that written descriptions of the entire project, including cost estimates, were
available at the rear of the room.
The Assistant City Manager stated that this public hearing is a requirement of the
Federal government prior to submission of the final application; that a preliminary
application was previously filed and approved; with clearances from regional planning
agencies, including the Southern California Association of Governments (SCAG) and
the Governor's office; that there is nothing substantially different in the final
application than in the preliminary application, including the purchase of nine new buses
at a total estimated cost of $367, 605, and that a public hearing was required before
filing the final application in order to give everyone another opportunity for com~aent
on the project.
The Rev. Galal Gough, 2112 N. Baker, stated that quite a number of Senior Citizens
were present earlier in the evening, but had to leave earlier, and he would like to
speak for them. Rev. Gough congratulated the Council on the project; stated that
the Human Relations Commission is very concerned that there should be no
discontinuation of bus service in the City; that on a recent trip to Tulsa, Oklahoma,
he spoke with the Director of their transportation program, who informed him that
their City met many of the same problems four years earlier that Santa Ana is facing
now; that the Tulsa service was out of operation for a period of two months before the
City took it over, and during that time they lost about 50% of the riders; and that they
felt their greatest mistake was allowing the lapse in service. He stated that the
Assistant City Attorney for the City of Tulsa informed him that they waited almost two
years before applying for federal funding, which was also detrimental to establishment
of the new transportation system. He stated he wished to reaffirm the stand of the
Human Relations Commission that a positive vote on the issue at hand was crucial for
the kind of City they want.
There were no further proponents or opponents who wished to speak in the matter,
and the Mayor closed the public hearing, and called for discussion by Council.
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PROPOSED BUS PROJECT - (Continued)
Councilman Markel stated that he had checked into the bus operation, and that
on August 31st, the last day the Santa Ana Transit Corporation operated the
system, there were 573 fares~ that this probably represents approximately 400
people, or less than 1/4 of 1% of the population of the City of Santa Ana. He stated
that on that day there were 39 half fares, school students between the ages of 5
and 12, and there were 41 transfers, and that the total receipts for that day were
$208. 52. He further stated that on January 13, 1972, 649 people paid 25 cents to
ride the bus; that there were 18 half fares for persons between the ages of 5 and
12; and 25 school fares; that the buses were operating that day with five buses
against three on August 31st; and that there was a gross return to the bus system, or
the City of Santa Ana, of $171.24. Councilman Villa asked what the cost of operation
was, and Councilman Markel stated he did not know, but was satisfied it was three
times that amount. He stated he believed the City should help the people who can't
afford buses, such as crippled persons, elderly, etc. , but that the City should not
run buses all over the City of Santa Aha at the taxpayers expense; that they know
before they start they are going to lose money.
Councilman Villa asked, pursuing that rationale, how many people use the library,
the museum, the parks, stating that there are many things that some of the citizens
are not using but are paying for.
Councilman Villa's motion, seconded by Councilman Patterson, to approve the
proposed Final Application for a Mass Transportation Capital Improvement Grant
under the Urban Mass Transportation Act of 1964, and authorize the City Manager
to execute all necessary documents; and to approve the extension of the agreement with
the American Transit Corporalion to continue existing bus service and authorize the
Mayor and Clerk to execute all necessary documents, carried on the following roll
call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Villa, Patterson, Griset, Yamamoto
Evans, Markel
Herrin
COMMITTEE / COMMISSION Councilman Markel suggested that
PROCEDURES Council procedures should be
extended to other Commissions in
the City, stating, in particular, that the Human Relations Commission is asked to
excuse some member from attending almost every meeting. The Mayor advised that
if there is a legitimate reason for the absence, the member may be excused.
A DJOU RNMENT
Room 303,- 217 N. Main Street.
CITY COUNCIL
At 1:20 A.M., Council adjourned
to Monday, January 31, 1972, at
7:00 P.M. in the Mayor's Office,
Florence I. Malone
Clerk of the Council
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